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sonnyboy
Average Member
USA
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 Posted - Oct 28 2009 : 15:15:14
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My question is, why the Remington Bronze Point bullet gets no love on this forum? When the subject of best bullets comes up I hear a lot of superlatives about Berger, Nosler, Hornady, Sierra and a few others. But in the short time I have been here (about 3 months)I have yet to hear about anyone using the bronze point. Does anyone here use them? And if so, give us the "dope" on them. Reason being I have been thinking about working up some loads for them but don't want to buy a "pig in a poke".
Happy Shooting
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lost-leader
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 28 2009 : 16:30:19
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| sonnyboy- I have never used Remingtons bronze point bullets. If there anything like Super X's silver tips, I can see why they don't get mentioned. I shot 1 deer with the silver tips, and the rest I had got shot on paper. They blow up really bad at higher fps. bullets. The rounded silver tips for 30/30's ect. kept the tips of the bullets from getting banged up in tube magazines. They may have been ok in guns like 30/30 and .35 Rem. but they sure didn't hold together in a 150gr. 30/06. lost. |
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edward5759
Average Member
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Posted - Oct 28 2009 : 16:58:38
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I have used them in auto loaders like the M1A.
The bronze point bullets did blow up on game and gave a "different flight path, “For us shooting CMP". Regular flyers were the problem.
I hit a coyote with a bronze point bullet and it had explosive reaction on the surface. the coyote did not suffer. it was just a massive wound that was about 2" deep and damn near its whole side.
so I quit using them I found others were better and cost less.
I really think that they are old technology.
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Paul B
Advanced Member
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Posted - Oct 28 2009 : 17:48:12
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I used the rem BP's early on when I first started loading for my first 30-06. Doggone it that was a long time ago. Bullet behavior was in my opinion erratic as all get out on game. One bullet would just pencil on through while the next one would blow up like a varmint bullet and wreck good eating meat. I took a strong dislike to them shortly after that when one misbehaved on a small Black Bear. Things cold have gotten a bit nasty on that deal. I went to 180 gr. Sierras after that and things were much better. For the record, the bear was shot with 180 gr. BP's. The first shot literally blew up on a rib and after that I just kept shooting till the bear was down and dead.
I'm not all that fond of the curent ballistic tips by Nosler either. The first one I shot a deer with blew up on a rib at roughly 100 yards. The deer haded of into a deep gully and during the follow up I tore the cartilige in my right knee on that rocky ground that was like walking on marbles. I've only lost two deer in 55 years of hunting and that deer with the Nosler BT is one of them. I won't use them on game any more.
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ethmoid1999
Advanced Member
USA
1968 Posts |
Posted - Oct 28 2009 : 22:21:05
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I know nothing about performance on game. I have a load with the 150 grain BP in 308 Winchester. I used 4? grains H380, Remington brass, Rem 91/2 primers. That is a max load in the Sierra manual with a SIERRA bullet and a starting load as I recall in the Lyman. I am away from home and not able to check my notes. DON'T use this load as listed. Start at the bottom and work up! With my open sight Savage 99 it shoots about 3/4 inch at 50 yards with three shots. In my Remington 700 5R it was all one ragged hole. I have never shot game with this bullet. I would expect the bullet to open very fast and maybe too fast at close range. I figure it's a small deer, antelope, wild hog sort of bullet. The deer I get to hunt are small. If I was going after large deer or bears, elk, etc., I would opt for a premium bullet.
I bought the bullets because they looked neat. They are something I remember from my young years. They were highly rated then. I know there are better bullets available now. FWIW...that bullet has not performed well in my 30-06 tests and the 130 grain 270 load was fair but not wonderful...11/2 at 100 yards.
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Wolfgang
Advanced Member
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Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 01:24:53
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I still have the better part of a box of 180 BP's for the '06 from the 80's. At that time, they were advertised as controlled but positive expansion. What the ad claimed and what happened in the field wasn't copasetic. I popped a coon that was in the process of killing my ducks, head on shot to the face at maybe 50yds and the bullet broke up in the skull, there were fragments scattered through the body but no exit. I never shot any more BP's after that.
I wasn't thrilled with the silver tips either. Went for deer with a guy I worked with, he shot a nice size doe at about 60-70yds and we tracked it for at least a mile, if there hadn't been fresh snow, doubt we'd have found her. It was at least an hour till we got to her and she was still very much alive. Bullet clipped the side of a rib on the way in and passed through the lungs showing no sign of expansion, went out between two ribs with a tiny hole no different than the entrance hole. |
 Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything."
Harry S. Truman
mark@fire-iron.biz
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 05:36:15
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+2 to Ethmoid, "No Longer" sold to public or even made but still can be found at some gun shows and small gun stores with some live ammuniton still around. I would say Sonnyboy, if you have some make your own mind up over them as you may find it to your liking. As for all of who have been on this site for a while, all the bullets we talk about has had something we did not like about them in all most all the post (ten people will say it's the best bullet out there then one will come along and say it sucks ). That Folks is why it is called shooting and hunting and performance with no guarantee's Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
SGM U.S. ARMY
CAMP TAJI IRAQ
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BISCUT
Moderator
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Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 12:21:45
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| The only Rem boolits I've found to be really consistent are the 405gr 45 cals!! Otherwise its Nosler, Sierra, Hornady, and some Barnes for me. |
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ethmoid1999
Advanced Member
USA
1968 Posts |
Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 12:39:50
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| I agree about Remingtons. I have some of the CoreLokt component bullets and accuracy varies from good to fair. I am expecting the new generation Remingtons to be very good. The new Winchesters should be also. I always start with Sierra when I'm working up accuracy loads. The new Hornady's are nice as are the new Noslers. I like the Speers as hunting bullets and the 52 grain Speer HP has been very good in my 22 cal rifles. |
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skyline
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 12:56:44
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OK now this is really sad that a Canadian needs to step in here on a US product discussion but................I may be wrong but I do not think Sonnyboy is referring to the OLD Remington bullets you guys are talking about.
I think possibly Sonnyboy is referring to the new Remington Premier Copper Solid bullets which are new for 2009 and is Remington's entry in the 'unleaded' bullet category. Works like some of the others.....polymer tip drives back into an expansion chamber. You can read about it here:
http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/premier_copper_solid.asp |
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sonnyboy
Average Member
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 15:13:55
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Skyline, I for one appreciate your input. And since Remington is worldwide you have as much say as anyone. I was refering to the old Bronze Points and know someone who had a couple hundered or so and was willing to sell them to me. As a young man money was very tight to me but I read most of the guns & hunting magazines. To my simplistic thinking these bullets looked like an ideal projectile for dispatching whitails here in Bama land. I was going to load the 150gr in my .30-06 and see what they could do when the gun season starts here next month. I thank all y'all for your input.
Happy Shooting
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skyline
Advanced Member
Canada
2577 Posts |
Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 15:38:54
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Well I stand corrected...............it was the old ones. LOL And here I was thinking I was pretty smart and thought you were looking for info on those new ones that no one talks about and you just didn't have the name of them quite right.
As luck would have it.............WAY back in the olden days I shot one deer with the bronze points and I was using an old Parker Hale .30-06 with 150 grain bullets. I had bought them thinking they would be a good deer round as well.
The deer was a little fork horn blacktail buck standing straight on at about 80 yards in tall marsh grass. I shot him in the neck and it pretty much blew his neck in half.........looked like a small package of C4 had been touched off. That was hardly a lot of data to go on but I deemed them a bit too frangible and never used them on big game again after that. I did burn them up on paper and on coyotes........they did a wicked job on coyotes.
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Wolfgang
Advanced Member
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Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 20:52:34
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Sonny,
Just thinking out loud but if you can get them cheap enough, may be worth while for paper & varmint punching.
In defense of Remington ... friend of mine from years ago used nothing but factory loaded 200gr RN's in his '06 and from the deer & two black bears he got with them, they did perform perfectly. Several years ago I picked up some 6.5mm 140gr plain generic core-lokt on sale, they did shoot quite well in my 6.5x55 but I never hunted with them. |
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything."
Harry S. Truman
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sonnyboy
Average Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 04:37:29
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Wolfgang, I may consider them a little later on but right now I am getting everything "tuned in" for the season to start next month. After what you guys have told me I will probably stick with my 150gr NBT in front of 60gr of RL-17. This is the most accurate load I have ever used in my M70 Win .30-06. I know most of the members here do not think highly of the 150gr NBT on deer but I have never had one to fail me. Deer in Alabama do not tend to as large as the ones you guys are blessed with up north, but I have never had one not to go completely through on a broadside shot. I think the heaviest one I have shot here would do well to make 170lb or so on the hoof. In one of his articles the late Bob Milek dispatched caribou with 150NBT at a range of 100yds give or take a few yds. The impression I got was that he did it just to prove it could be done. I belive it was in the late 80's or early 90's he did this.
Happy Shooting
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
1601 Posts |
Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 05:48:37
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| Sonnyboy, Pass me your reloading info. I am very intrested in the 30-06 with RL-17. And they way you are talking it sounds like a good combo. Thanks. Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
SGM U.S. ARMY
CAMP TAJI IRAQ
"SHOOT EM FROM LONG" RANGE" |
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royta
New Member
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Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 09:22:02
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Originally posted by fishstan2
Sonnyboy, Pass me your reloading info. I am very intrested in the 30-06 with RL-17. And they way you are talking it sounds like a good combo. Thanks. Stan
I'm with you fishstan2. Interested in the RL-17 info also. |
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