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sonnyboy
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USA
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 Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 13:07:21
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O.K. guys here it is and I will swear in any court of law what I write is the truth.
Gun: Mod 70 Win Featherweight w/22" barrel. Savage Tact w/24" barrel.
Cal: .30-06 Springfield.
Case: Remington
Pri: CCI Benchrest LR.
Powder: 60gr RL-17.
Bullet: 150gr Nosler BT
Vel (Chrony) 22" BBL Win-70 3068 avg. (5 shots). 24"BBL Sav. 3134 (5 shots).
Groups: M-70 100yds. 3 shot group .780". Sav Tact 5 shot gp. .410" 100yds.
Ambient Temp: 90+* high humidity.
Average of 15 sometimes 20min wait between gps.
This load was worked up in 1/2gr inc. starting at 56gr. No pressure signs were observed.
RL-17 has a burn rate very similar to IMR4350. The difference is that in this powder the retardent is mixed with the powder while it is still wet and therefore it is not coated on the sticks but is mixed throughout the "sticks". When it is fired there is not a pressure "spike" like in other powders but rather a pronounced pressure curve.And therefore the bullet get a longer push down the barrel at a more sustained higher pressure without going over the dangerous pressure that would result with coated powder in order to attain this higher velocity. As a side note, this powder has won some 1000yds matches.
If you want, I can tell you just how high & velocity I got to before pressure signs started surfacing.
Happy Shooting
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
1601 Posts |
Posted - Oct 31 2009 : 03:41:30
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Sonnyboy, Thanks for the info. It sounds like you have a great load and it worked out for you and great shooting by the way. It sounds like RL-17 is all it is cracked up to be . I, if you don't mind send me all the data, as I am going to put it to use. Thanks Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
SGM U.S. ARMY
CAMP TAJI IRAQ
"SHOOT EM FROM LONG" RANGE" |
Edited by - fishstan2 on Oct 31 2009 03:43:22 |
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eric2381
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - Oct 31 2009 : 19:25:49
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I too would be interested in the data you obtained with the 30-06 and RL17. I've been playing with it a bit in my 35 Whelen with great results. I have a few pounds of it and wish to try it with my 7mm-08, 6.5x55, and 30-06. So far I really like this powder.
An old hunting partner used to carry the Bronze Points for his 30-06. He was a very poor shot and most often missed what he was shooting at and after awhile he didn't shoot at anything unless it was very close. He did shoot a mule doe in the chest as it was looking at him from 20 yards and the deer dropped on the spot. Meat damage didn't seem any different than other bullets. To me as a kid his bronze tipped bullets were different and intriguing. They were different than Dad's bullets.
When we (my family) began reloading, we all had 30-06s. Friends of ours shot 270s, and we called them peashooters and coyote guns, just to rib them a bit. Dad bought a huge bulk lot of 165gr. Rem. Corelokt bullets and we shot those for all of our hunting for years. There is still some at the farm. There was never a problem with them on the mule deer, whitetail deer, and moose we shot with them. Until I traded my 30-06 to my Dad for a 300 Win mag he had bought from a friend. Then trouble started with meat damage and bullets not holding together. A shift to 180gr. Hornadys really helped.
About the Win. Silvertips. When I was 16 I drew a cow moose tag. A guy gets a cow tag once every 2 years around home. Being young, I thought moose were huge bullet proof beasts. I bought a box of 220gr. ST for my 30-06. Used 10 of them to get sighted in with the different bullets and kept the other ten to hunt with. I shot my first moose on opening morning. The shot was quartering away from 150 yds. Bullet went into the last rib on the close side and stopped in the hide on the offside of the neck. The moose dropped on the spot. The bullet weighed out at 190gr. Perfect mushroom. I wish I still had the bullet to put up a pic, but it's been lost through time. I believe the bullet performed perfectly. There's been a few other moose after that, but that shot and that bullets performance stands out in my mind. |
Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow. |
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
1601 Posts |
Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 04:50:30
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| Eric, good story. Like I said, you like these type bullets and then somebody will say they don't, funny how that works out Huh!!!. Stick with what works for you. Good post. Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
SGM U.S. ARMY
CAMP TAJI IRAQ
"SHOOT EM FROM LONG" RANGE" |
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sonnyboy
Average Member
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 05:01:47
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fishstan2:
Did you receive my e-mail with the data I sent you Saturday morning?
Happy Shooting
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
1601 Posts |
Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 05:33:13
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| Sonnyboy I sure did. Man, I owe you big time. I sent you an E-Mail. You ever need anything let me know. I think RL-17 is the ticket for the 30-06. Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
SGM U.S. ARMY
CAMP TAJI IRAQ
"SHOOT EM FROM LONG" RANGE" |
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MIKESBARRO
Advanced Member
USA
1927 Posts |
Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 09:21:29
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Just saw this thread.
Sonny...I've used the old style BP's for years in my .270. The .277's don't seem to blow up as bad as the .308's. Love them on whitetails; wouldn't use them on anything bigger. I bought some off of a guy about 5 years ago. I actually still have his email addy. If you'd like I can send him an email and find out if he has any more. Don't have any idea whether he would have any 30 cal.
Mike
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ethmoid1999
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 15:37:29
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| Damn!!! I'd sure like to see if RL-17 would ramp up the old 300 H&H like it does the 30-06. I am curious. |
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sonnyboy
Average Member
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 16:31:57
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69.3gr of RL-17 will give 3334fps /w 150gr bullet in 24in barrel. Max load from Alient Co. for .300 HH mag. Only load given for bullets of 150gr or heavier.
Happy Shooting
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ethmoid1999
Advanced Member
USA
1968 Posts |
Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 16:34:46
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Sonnyboy,
Hey Thanks! I will give it a try! That would really sing for an antelope-deer load!
Mike |
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jb3179
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 19:18:53
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| Midway USA still lists rem 150 gr bronze points in .308 as available on a seasonal run basis. The price is $40 per 100 if you decide to buy some off that guy. i think for the price I would try to work up some loads with speer hot cores, they are pretty value priced and get pretty good reviews. Box of 100 hot cor 150 gr spitzer soft point is $24. |
"It's a helluva thing killing a man. You take away all he's got and all he ever will have." |
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jb3179
Junior Member
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 19:56:48
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Eric,
I would love to see some of your data on rl-17 for the 35 whelen |
"It's a helluva thing killing a man. You take away all he's got and all he ever will have." |
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eric2381
Advanced Member
Canada
1151 Posts |
Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 21:47:44
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| There's a bit of talk on my findings in the big game loads section. Under the heading 8x57 RL17. |
Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow. |
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
1601 Posts |
Posted - Nov 03 2009 : 01:42:57
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Ethmoid1999, did you check out Alliant's home page. RL-19 showed very close velocity to what Sonnyboy was showing on his 30-06 with RL-17 and I think most reloading data is very tame so I would think you could improve upon it . I would venture to say. Give it a try. Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
SGM U.S. ARMY
CAMP TAJI IRAQ
"SHOOT EM FROM LONG" RANGE" |
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ethmoid1999
Advanced Member
USA
1968 Posts |
Posted - Nov 03 2009 : 07:06:49
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Stan,
I saw it! I am working away from home but I'm sure dying to try RL 17 in both my 30-06 and 300 H&H. I'm going to try to get some powder before I go home so I will have some to play with. I am excited about trying something new!
Mike |
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Remington Bronze Point
