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ecellitti
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 Posted - Nov 03 2009 : 07:48:25
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| Have any of you all had any experience with IMR 8208 XBR? I know its a new powder but before I try to buy some, but just wanted to hear from any of you all with this powder. My go to powder has been IMR 4064 with my 30-30 and 06. What do you all think? E.J. |
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Matthew222
Average Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 03 2009 : 09:16:30
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EJ, like you I've been thinkin about this powder and I also like th one powder for everything thought but it never works out that way, too many different guns(not enough really) so I have to get a few powders and with th shortage I've had to get some that I havent messed with in years and some I've never used. I couldnt find anything on th '06 but Hodgdon has updated there data and you may allready have this so......
To your question though, I'd like to here some real reports myself.
Here's some 30-30 data-hodgdon data
Hodgdon Data Starting Loads
barrel length: 24";
150 Sierra FN IMR IMR-8208 XBR 30.0 2213
Remarks: COL: .2550"; 35,000 cup
160 Hornady FTX IMR IMR-8208 XBR 30.0 2214
Remarks: COL: 2.540"; 39,900 cup
170 Sierra FP IMR IMR-8208 XBR 27.8 2052
Remarks: COL: 2.550"; 36,400 cup
Hodgdon Data Maximum Loads
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS)
150 Sierra FN IMR IMR-8208 XBR 32.0 2316
Remarks: COL: 2.550"; 36,700 cup
160 Hornady FTX IMR IMR-8208 XBR 33.0 2386
Remarks: COL: 2.540; 46,500 cup
170 Sierra FP IMR IMR-8208 XBR 30.9 2181
Remarks: COL: 2.550"; 37,500 cup
Th FTX data looks promising
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ecellitti
Average Member
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - Nov 03 2009 : 20:06:34
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Matthew222,
With what I reload for, which is the 30-30 and 06, IMR 4064 has worked very well, but it dosent seem to work as well as I would like with the FTX. I was doing a little more researching on it today and I guess that it hasnt been put on the shelves yet and wont be out into early 2010.
Your right, it does look promising for the 30-30 using the FTX, and looks very comparable to IMR 4064 in the velocity department when used in the 30-06. I really hope it works as well as IMR 4064 does in both of my rifles.
Any luck with deer season yet? Nothing here yet. My wifes cousin shot at a buck at about 20 yards with a 12 ga slug, wounded it and we couldnt find it. He shot through a small tree, wounded the deer and the slug stopped in another tree. It was a spike buck. No wonder we dont see very big or mature deer here. It seems that people just shoot at the first thing that passes by. No deer management, no decent decision making process. I gave my son a lecture about bad this crap. Heck I wont even let him shoot at a squirrel unless he is confident in his shot. I could go on forever about this crap. This happend this evening by the way. Looked for it well past dark, but couldnt find it. Will go out tomorrow afternoon and try to find it again. I could go on and on about this crap. Anyways thanks for the info Matt222. E.J. |
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
1601 Posts |
Posted - Nov 04 2009 : 02:14:37
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Hello Ecellitti, Well I can't really speak on the 30-30, But, the 30-06, that is the cartridge I am going to work with in the near future . Now the powder that has shown great results is RL-17. You can go to Allints home page and do your own research. Good luck and good shooting. Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
SGM U.S. ARMY
CAMP TAJI IRAQ
"SHOOT EM FROM LONG" RANGE" |
Edited by - fishstan2 on Nov 05 2009 07:41:34 |
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ecellitti
Average Member
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - Nov 04 2009 : 07:30:35
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Fishstan2, the fps gains look pretty good. I know that out of my 30-06 using the Hornady 150 grain SST and 51.5 grains of IMR 4065 I am getting 2975 fps. I know that I can get into the 3000 fps area with no problem but dont really need the extra little fps for the ranges that I am shoot at but what I am looking at is really developing my 30-30 more. I am looking to get up to 2250 fps with the Hornady 160 STX with out any signs of pressure. The reason being is that I want to use those new bullets, but if I cant drive them much faster than 2250, I dont know if the little ballistic advantage is worth the extra cost of these bullets.
I'm not by any means trying to turn my 30-30 into something that its not suppose to be, but If I can produce a round that has a meaningful ballistic advantage over the standard round or flatnose than thats what I want to do.
With the standard round nose I can am getting 2300 fps with good accuracy, but like I said, If I can make it better, then thats what I want to do. So I guess that I'll wait until the RL-17 or the new IMR 8208 XBR comes out and see what those to powders can do for the 30-30. Thanks
E.J.
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Matthew222
Average Member
USA
151 Posts |
Posted - Nov 04 2009 : 15:38:43
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EJ, Deer season starts with th youth hunt th 7 and 8th of this month so I havent been huntin yet myself. My buddy took a doe with his MLer over on his stand and thats about it. I here you when you speak of some of th crap that goes on. I'll have my grandsons out this weekend and I had them th last two weekends, drillin them as much as I could with what little time there father gave me- He just doesnt understand that there is more to hunting than being able to shoot a gun and I'm mad about it!! but I know that th boys understand that they have a long way to go and they will have to follow my every instruction and that's not enough.I told my daughter that it is unethical for me to just take them to th deer stand and point at that one and shoot, so she made sure that I had them for those 2 weekends- still not enough- but I dont want to let th boys down and they do come out and shoot a few times a year and went through th hunters-ed, (I'm not sure 'bout that either). They shot well when they were here but they have a long way to go, I dont know what's gonna happen when I'm not here and that worries me.......yup, I could go on about it too-I guess I did.
Anyway this weekend will be th big hunt for me.....I mean th kids and I'll have my little camera so maybe things will turn out great and I'll have some pics.
Good luck EJ and son!
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ecellitti
Average Member
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - Nov 04 2009 : 21:49:07
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Matthew222,
The rut here in NC should be going full bore this weekend. I hope it will be a good one. Weather has been a little warm though. I think that most of the deer have been moving at night still. I understand your frustration with your son in law. The only thing you can do is prepare them the best you can, teach them the right and ethical ways to do things. Its like yesterday when my wifes cousin shot at that spike buck, piss poor decision. The buck was broad side 20 yards away, had been there for a few mins, then attempted to shoot through a tree to take the deer. Just plain stupid! Speaking of hunters ed, I sat in the course with my son last year and here in NC its legal to use a 22 rimfire to take a deer, and this instructor was telling some of the students that using a 17 Hornady rimfire was reasonable to take a deer. I about fell out of my seat listing to this guy! I told my son that it would be irresponsible to shoot one with those little bullets, not that it cant be done though. I didnt think that it was legal to do that but looked it up in the NC game book and was suprised to see that you could.
I know in MO, where I am from it had to be a centerfire cartridge of at least 24 cal or larger.
Just cant believe some of the crap people do. Ethical hunting is important to me and I stress it to my kids, not just my son. I wont let him shoot at a squirrel unless I am sure of the shot, let alone a deer. Its more of the thought process and their reasoning that really amazes me, and blows my mind. Let me know how things go for you and hope your season is a good one.
Enjoy the time with your grandkids, as I do with my kids out in the woods. Good Luck and good shooting! E.J.
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
1601 Posts |
Posted - Nov 05 2009 : 07:46:02
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| Ecellitti, good luck and good shooting. I know you will figure it out. There is an old saying, "What goes up must come down". I concur in be sure of where your shot is aimed and do the best to make sure of where it is going to end up. Good post guys. Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
SGM U.S. ARMY
CAMP TAJI IRAQ
"SHOOT EM FROM LONG" RANGE" |
Edited by - fishstan2 on Nov 05 2009 07:47:26 |
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ecellitti
Average Member
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - Nov 05 2009 : 08:13:51
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Thanks fishstan2,
Kinda got off of the orginal topic, but you know its just frustrating to see people do the things that they do. I was talking to my brother in law about this and I told him that we in the Army try to have tactical patients and let the situation develop, and I apply that when I go hunting as well. I try to teach that to my oldest son as well. We as hunters have an obligation to ensure that our shots are as clean and straight as possible. There is nothing that states that you have to take a shot at an animal, and as I tell my son, If it not clear, and dont have confidence with it dont do it. We dont have to thread the needle like so many seem to do, we just need to take a second, think about it for a second, then decide.
They went out yesterday afternoon to try to find the deer, but couldnt find it. Hope that something was learned from this, thats all I can say. E.J. |
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 05 2009 : 08:34:47
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| "OH" to be young again and know what I know now. I would have done some things very different. LOL. Take care there Ecellitti. Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
SGM U.S. ARMY
CAMP TAJI IRAQ
"SHOOT EM FROM LONG" RANGE" |
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ecellitti
Average Member
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - Nov 05 2009 : 13:06:45
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Fishstan2
Not really young anymore, been in since 93. With what happened the other day thats what came to mind. When I was Team and Squad Leader
some years ago, that is what was preached to us, which I am sure you know all about, but it reminded me of those words "Tactical Patients". Its funny how it can be applied in the woods that we hunt in. Good hearing from you. E.J. |
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