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mjc2564
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 Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 20:25:26
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| I shoot a Lazzeroni .308 Warbird. My recent bullets I reloaded for hunting were 190 grain VLD bullets. I recieved great grouping at 1/2 of an inch. Only problem was shooting at deer size game at under 100 yards.I shot at a mule deer at 100 yards or less off the box of my truck, braudside shot. This shot went though with 0 expansion and the deer kept walking. I have never had a game animal walk away. |
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archerross
Advanced Member
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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 23:24:35
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mjc,
This is more than a bit surprising to me. I did an expansion test on 140 gr "target" VLDs in my 6.5-284 this summer. The target VLD passed through a 20 oz soda bottle full of water, a 2x4, a 1 gallon milk jug full of water, and stopped on the backside of a second milk jug full of water. There wasn't much left of that bullet. Are you shooting the "target" VLDs or the "hunting" VLDs? According to Walt Berger, the target VLD has a thicker jacket than the hunting VLD and has not been tested as hunting bullet like the hunting VLD has. |
There is plenty of room for all of God's creatures...right next to the mashed potatoes. |
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 02:21:18
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Mjc, I would also have to guess, but what was your Velocity as I would have to say around the 3,400 fps+ and a bit less at 100 yards. I too own a Warbird, love mine but we have be picky on what bullet we shoot and what distance. You would have to figure if it did not hit bone the bullet just penciled thru. I hope this helps. Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
CSM JBLM
"I SAY SHOOTEM FROM LONG RANGE" |
Edited by - fishstan2 on Nov 12 2009 02:22:38 |
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txhunter77
New Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 15:33:23
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Originally posted by mjc2564
I shoot a Lazzeroni .308 Warbird. My recent bullets I reloaded for hunting were 190 grain VLD bullets. I recieved great grouping at 1/2 of an inch. Only problem was shooting at deer size game at under 100 yards.I shot at a mule deer at 100 yards or less off the box of my truck, braudside shot. This shot went though with 0 expansion and the deer kept walking. I have never had a game animal walk away.
I must ask, did you retrive the animal? If not, then I'd say you missed flat out.
I've shot quite a few deer with sierra MK's and a few with berger VLDs, and not once have I had a bullet fail to expand. Impact velocities were between 3750fps and 2700fps. Hitting bone doesn't come into play at those velocities. I've even managed to put a bullet between the ribs on the entrance and barely hit one on the way out, except for the 2.5" diameter hole through both lungs and 1.5" diameter exit hole, it looked like there was was no expansion. |
Edited by - txhunter77 on Nov 12 2009 19:08:42 |
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mjc2564
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Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 22:44:43
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I have never missed an animal in my life, ever.quote:
Originally posted by txhunter77
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Originally posted by mjc2564
I shoot a Lazzeroni .308 Warbird. My recent bullets I reloaded for hunting were 190 grain VLD bullets. I recieved great grouping at 1/2 of an inch. Only problem was shooting at deer size game at under 100 yards.I shot at a mule deer at 100 yards or less off the box of my truck, braudside shot. This shot went though with 0 expansion and the deer kept walking. I have never had a game animal walk away.
I must ask, did you retrive the animal? If not, then I'd say you missed flat out.
I've shot quite a few deer with sierra MK's and a few with berger VLDs, and not once have I had a bullet fail to expand. Impact velocities were between 3750fps and 2700fps. Hitting bone doesn't come into play at those velocities. I've even managed to put a bullet between the ribs on the entrance and barely hit one on the way out, except for the 2.5" diameter hole through both lungs and 1.5" diameter exit hole, it looked like there was was no expansion.
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mjc2564
New Member
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Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 22:48:02
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I found out that the bullets I were sold were the yellow box made for target.I asked for hunting bullets which I now know come in a blaze orange boxquote:
Originally posted by archerross
mjc,
This is more than a bit surprising to me. I did an expansion test on 140 gr "target" VLDs in my 6.5-284 this summer. The target VLD passed through a 20 oz soda bottle full of water, a 2x4, a 1 gallon milk jug full of water, and stopped on the backside of a second milk jug full of water. There wasn't much left of that bullet. Are you shooting the "target" VLDs or the "hunting" VLDs? According to Walt Berger, the target VLD has a thicker jacket than the hunting VLD and has not been tested as hunting bullet like the hunting VLD has.
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 13 2009 : 08:27:19
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MJC, glad you figured it out . I would say it penciled thru. I bet that deer took a min to figure out it had been even hit. Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
CSM JBLM
"I SAY SHOOTEM FROM LONG RANGE" |
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txhunter77
New Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 14 2009 : 22:19:21
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[quote]Originally posted by mjc2564
I have never missed an animal in my life, ever.[quote]
My appologies then, I didn't know you've never missed.
[quote][i]Originally posted by mjc2564
I shot at a mule deer at 100 yards.[quote][i]
Just that your statement says "shot at a mule deer" and not "I shot a mule deer", so you left the door open to the possibility that you missed.
So, we then assume that you did retrieve the animal. Because hypothetically speaking, if you didn't retrieve the animal and there was no blood trail, then there would be no real certainty that the animal had been hit. Hypothetically speaking that is.
As far as the Berger hunting bullets coming in Blaze orange boxes, well that would be news to me. All the berger bullets I've ever seen have been packaged in the yellow box, the only difference being the label. The label should state "Target" or "Hunting". |
Edited by - txhunter77 on Nov 14 2009 22:21:21 |
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archerross
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 15 2009 : 17:18:10
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| The orange boxes are indeed the hunting bullet. Yellow boxes are the target bullets. Glad to hear you figured it out. |
There is plenty of room for all of God's creatures...right next to the mashed potatoes. |
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DocHolladay
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 20 2009 : 01:43:50
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| My yellow Berger box says, "Excellent for Target Shooting, Recommended for Game Hunting". |
98% of us will die at some point in our lives.- Ricky Bobby, Talledega Nights |
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Matthew222
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 20 2009 : 08:01:28
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Orange box - big yellow lable. Th target/varment bullets are yellow-yellow
These were bought in th last year, maybe they changed things?
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descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of
the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves
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DocHolladay
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 20 2009 : 09:11:13
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| My 2 boxes are yellow and have the same label as what you have on the left. One box was bought late 2008, the other was bought in about June 2009.... both from Midway. |
98% of us will die at some point in our lives.- Ricky Bobby, Talledega Nights |
Edited by - DocHolladay on Nov 20 2009 09:13:20 |
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archerross
Advanced Member
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Posted - Nov 20 2009 : 11:08:10
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| Maybe it is caliber specific? In 6.5 mm, orange box with yellow label are hunting bullets and yellow box with yellow label are target bullets. Maybe they are switching to a different standard color coding? I guess the best way to know what you have is to read the label and ignore the box color. |
There is plenty of room for all of God's creatures...right next to the mashed potatoes. |
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Matthew222
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 20 2009 : 12:35:57
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I guess the best way to know what you have is to read the label and ignore the box color
Yup.
Th Great Box Color Debate of '09
Matt |
Behold the rain which
descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of
the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves
us, and loves to see us happy. Ben Franklin |
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mjc2564
New Member
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Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 01:37:57
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| I contacted the berger bullet sales rep. he said that if you are using berger VLD for hunting make sure they come in a blaze orange box. These bullets are thinner walled. |
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fishstan2
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 03:26:07
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| Well, sounds like good information for all. I also like the part where it was stated, "Read before you Buy"!!!!!. Great advice. Stan |
WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
CSM JBLM
"I SAY SHOOTEM FROM LONG RANGE" |
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Berger VLD hunting bullet performance
