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awidener
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  16:17:27  Show Profile Send awidener a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Does anyone know which commercially available powder performs closest to the military ball powder used in the 5.56 U.S. or NATO 55gr M193 round? I've heard H-335, but was wondering if any veteran loaders out there know for sure.

Thanks,

Andy

In a time when a radical extremist enemy from a foreign country is hell bent on doing everything in there power to strip there citizens and ours of liberty and rights, why would the US government even ponder taking away even one of ours?" - Andrew Widener, Libertarian, 2009

aj3156
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  16:46:43  Show Profile Send aj3156 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Take a look at this, start 10% low.

Military Ammunition Equivalents

Cartridge Bullet Weight
(gr) Velocity
f/s Suggested load(s)

M41 .38 130 950±45 6.3 gr PowerPistol, 5.2 gr Unique or Universal
M882 9 mm 124 1230±50 6.4 gr Accurate #5, 8 gr BlueDot
M1911 .45ACP 230 820±25 5.2 Bullseye
M193 5.56 mm 55 3250±40 26 grs. of H335
M855 5.56 mm 62 3020±40 27 grs of 748 or BallC2
M80 7.62 mm 149 2750±20 42.5 IMR4895, 46 grs. 748 or Ball C2
M118 7.62 mm Special Ball 173 2550±30 43 grs. of RL15 or 748
M118 7.62 mm Special Ball LR (Sierra MK bullet) 175 2580±30 42.5 grs. of Varget,
M852 7.62 mm MATCH (Sierra MK bullet) 168 2550±30 41.5 IMR4895
M2 Cal .30 152 2740±30 48 grs. IMR4895
M72 Cal .30 MATCH 173 2640±30 46 grs. of RL15
M1 Cal .30 carbine 110 1900±30 14 gr 2400 or 14 gr H-110*
* Do not reduce H110 more than 3%

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awidener
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  16:51:43  Show Profile Send awidener a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Awesome.....exactly what the powder measure ordered

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awidener
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  16:56:34  Show Profile Send awidener a Private Message  Reply with Quote
By the way, where did you get that info?? I've been looking all over for it.

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Got-R-Did
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  17:02:34  Show Profile Send Got-R-Did a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Many other propellants are suitable for Mil-spec loading in the .223: Ramshot TAC & X-Terminator, Accurate Arms 2230, Accurate Arms DATA 2200, and 2230C are some of my favorites.
Got-R-Did

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aj3156
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  17:24:03  Show Profile Send aj3156 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://www.frfrogspad.com/miscellq.htm#duplicate

...and +1 to the Tac and X-terminater, I love Ramshot
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rg1
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  17:37:01  Show Profile Send rg1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
H335 is ballistically equivalent to WC844 military powder. However different lots of surplus powders can and do vary in burn rate so you have to start low and work up when using surplus powders. The frfrogspad data is "hot" and be careful and start lower and work up. Not saying it isn't military equivalent, just that it's nato military pressures and may be too much for your once or more fired brass in your rifles. Hodgdon's data on their web site has realistic safe data for H335 and 55 fmj bullets.
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WC-846 Surplus- for 223 thru 308, military rifle ball powder, Has a burning rate from a little faster than H335 to almost the same as BLC2, reduce BLC-2 starting data by 10% to start, Some starting data on jug for 308 data,

WC 844- original US Government 223 Surplus rifle powder, use H335 starting load data to work up loading data ,

Edited by - rg1 on Mar 08 2010 17:40:44
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