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rcr112233
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Posted - Jul 01 2010 :  09:39:05  Show Profile Send rcr112233 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anyone know who makes a 180 bullet for a 35 Whelen for reloading?

Bobo7mmmag
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Posted - Jul 01 2010 :  14:34:16  Show Profile Send Bobo7mmmag a Private Message  Reply with Quote
RCR 112233

Speer makes a 180 grain Flat Point that would work for Deer and smaller.

Bobo
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MarkTX
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Posted - Jul 01 2010 :  20:32:26  Show Profile Send MarkTX a Private Message  Reply with Quote
just a question but why would you want to use a 180 in a
whelen.
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Paul B
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Posted - Jul 02 2010 :  01:27:01  Show Profile Send Paul B a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MarkTX

just a question but why would you want to use a 180 in a
whelen.



My thoughts exactly. Using a bullet that fragile at the speed the Whelen would push it would be might destrutive in deer and may not even penetrate properly. The lightest bullet I use in my Whelens is the Barnes 225 gr. TSX. Most of the time I use 250 gr. bullets, either the Hornady spire point or the Speer Hot-Core.
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45colt
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Posted - Jul 02 2010 :  06:56:02  Show Profile Send 45colt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Speer/Federal sells a 180 grain Fusion/Deep Curl bullet too. I see nothing wrong with a lighter bullet. The 200 grain Hornady has always served me well and gives 2700fps out of a 22" barrel.

"I'd rather die for something, then live for nothing."

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MarkTX
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Posted - Jul 05 2010 :  20:32:45  Show Profile Send MarkTX a Private Message  Reply with Quote
a 200 grn. bullet at 2700 has about the same tragetory as a 250 at 2500. So a 180 at who knows what velocity with a .200+ BC seems like a waste for a Whelen. Just an opinion.
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MIKESBARRO
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Posted - Jul 06 2010 :  17:09:16  Show Profile Send MIKESBARRO a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MarkTX

a 200 grn. bullet at 2700 has about the same tragetory as a 250 at 2500. So a 180 at who knows what velocity with a .200+ BC seems like a waste for a Whelen. Just an opinion.



Very sound opinion.

Mike
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45colt
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Posted - Jul 07 2010 :  06:50:41  Show Profile Send 45colt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Do the people who hate the 180 in the Whelen also have the same opinion of the 185 gr bullets in the 338mags? The 180s in a Whelen probably can hit 2800 and would work well on deer sized game at longer ranges.

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MIKESBARRO
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Posted - Jul 07 2010 :  17:19:53  Show Profile Send MIKESBARRO a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 45colt

Do the people who hate the 180 in the Whelen also have the same opinion of the 185 gr bullets in the 338mags? The 180s in a Whelen probably can hit 2800 and would work well on deer sized game at longer ranges.




Personally, I don't own a .338. If I did I wouldn't bother with 185's in it any more than 180's in a Whelen. Yep, you can start a 180 faster, but it won't shoot any flatter than say a 225 at 2600 fps. So, what's the point??? Only advantage I can see would be for someone that is recoil sensitive. In that case, I wouldn't own a Whelen. It's just a different mind set. Whatever works for you.

Mike

Edited by - MIKESBARRO on Jul 07 2010 17:21:21
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Tuner
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Posted - Aug 09 2010 :  14:53:33  Show Profile Send Tuner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 45colt

Do the people who hate the 180 in the Whelen also have the same opinion of the 185 gr bullets in the 338mags? The 180s in a Whelen probably can hit 2800 and would work well on deer sized game at longer ranges.



The comparison here is not a good one. The 180 gr. .35 bullet was designed for the likes of a .35 Rem that probably has a velocity of around 2300 FPS. My 35 Whe. shooting 225 Nosler BT with reloading manual loads of RE. 15 approaches 2700 FPS. I have no doubt that I could with published loads exceed 2800 FPS with a 180 Gr. .35 bullet which would probably make a good ground hog load, but far to explosive for big game. The 180 Gr. .338 bullets were designed for the velocity of the various modern .338 cartridges and as such will probbly perform quite well for their intended game while flattning out trajectories. Your comparison is in my opinion way off the mark.
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45colt
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Posted - Aug 09 2010 :  18:19:49  Show Profile Send 45colt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tuner

quote:
Originally posted by 45colt

Do the people who hate the 180 in the Whelen also have the same opinion of the 185 gr bullets in the 338mags? The 180s in a Whelen probably can hit 2800 and would work well on deer sized game at longer ranges.



The comparison here is not a good one. The 180 gr. .35 bullet was designed for the likes of a .35 Rem that probably has a velocity of around 2300 FPS. My 35 Whe. shooting 225 Nosler BT with reloading manual loads of RE. 15 approaches 2700 FPS. I have no doubt that I could with published loads exceed 2800 FPS with a 180 Gr. .35 bullet which would probably make a good ground hog load, but far to explosive for big game. The 180 Gr. .338 bullets were designed for the velocity of the various modern .338 cartridges and as such will probbly perform quite well for their intended game while flattning out trajectories. Your comparison is in my opinion way off the mark.



The 180grain Deep Curl is designed for Whelen velocities. It is loaded by the Federal Factory for sale as I type this. The Deep Curl bullets use a plating process that is taylored to the cartridge and velocity. So the 180 grain Deep curl bullet in a 35 Whelen factory load will be different than a 180 grain 35 Rem load from the factory.


The 200 grain Hornady that is also designed for the 35REM holds together very well at Whelen velocities and kills deer like lightning. I've killed half a dozen deer with it from spitting range out to 150yds without any problems at all. Personally I see no need for the 225 bullets in the Whelen. If you're hunting deer, the 200gr bullets are just the ticket. If something bigger could be on the shopping list then the 250 is the bullet to use. Or if you want one weight for everything load 250grain RN for woods hunting out to 200yds and load 250 gr Spitzers for the 300-400yd shots.

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MarkTX
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Posted - Aug 09 2010 :  20:39:58  Show Profile Send MarkTX a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Unless all you have is a Whelen a 180 seems like waste to me. Deep Curl or not. Just an opinion.
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Paul B
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Posted - Aug 10 2010 :  13:23:58  Show Profile Send Paul B a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In the first place, the .35 Whelen was not intended to be a deer cartridge. In 1923, when the round was developed by James Howe, the serious big game cartrisge was the .375 H&H. Unfortunately, actions long enough for the .375 were imported from England and Europe and were frightfully expensive. The Whelen more or lss filled the gap for hunters who wanted to hunt game larger than deer but could not afford the price of the .375. Many areaswhere one could hunt el also had hugry Grizzly Bears to contend with and while the 30-06 was adequate, or not depend on who you listened to, the Whelen as as close to perfection for the common man to pursue such a hunt. The Whelen was designed to use 250 to 300 gr. bullets and used a in 12" twist, not the lousy 1 in 16" twist Remington and Ruger use in their rifles. I have the remington and Ruger rifles with that slow twist and thy do a poor job of stabilizng the 275 gr. Hornady round nose bullets which BTW were discontinued around 196/67. IIRC, Elmer Keith too on a Grizzly at spitting distnces with a .35 Whelen and a 275 gr. bullet, but I forget who made it. I don't think Hornady was in business that far back.
Now the fact that the Whelen can do good work with 200 and 225 gr. bullets, especially in the slow twist rifles is a plus. They also do quite well with the 250 gr. bullets. When you consider the improvement even on cup and core bullets and the relatively slow velocity of the Whelen with 250 gr. bullets, I see no real need for expensive premium bullets for any North American big game unless one is a bit more comfortable with them. Use whatever makes you happy.
Paul B.
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