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Allen Foraker
Average Member
USA
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 Posted - Oct 17 2003 : 00:42:05
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Only to dispatch a wounded one. I have carried one for the past 8 years and like it for what it was designed to do. If you want to hunt with .40 cal. fodder, try the 10mm or the .41 Mag. They are better suited for deer size game at close ranges. .40 S&W was designed as a defense load against 2-legged vermin. For what its worth.
Allen
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ricciardelli
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USA
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buckeye509
New Member
USA
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Posted - Nov 18 2003 : 08:13:47
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I use a H&K USP 40 Compact in 40 S&W. At range of 25 yards my groups are slightly larger than a paper plate. It is my understanding the 40 S&W is almost the equivelent of a factory 357 magnum. I know the 357 will kill a deer, but the question is will a 40 S&W be an effective deer killer. I think under ideal circumstances; broadside into heart/lung at close range, say 15 yards or so it could be done. However I don't think it is a practical round for deer hunting and wouldn't use it or endorse it as such.
I agree it is much better suited for 2 legged varmints. |
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Gman
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - Dec 03 2003 : 20:16:08
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| I use to carry a .40 smith and wesson as a personal defense weapon and liked it very much. However, I would not consider it an effective caliber to deer hunt. |
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445 supermag
Starting Member
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Posted - Dec 12 2003 : 16:25:17
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Can the 40S&W be relied on to reliably kill deer answer is NO.
Can it be done answer is YES. Very close range in broad side lung shot.15 yards max.
I would not count on it for normal use for handguning deer. Step up to a 41 mag or 44 mag and have fun.
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Robert M Boren Sr
Average Member
USA
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Posted - Dec 15 2003 : 16:40:58
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| Yes it can, but you're going to be so close that you're going to be able to touch it. So, if you're that close, why not use a bow, which will do the job much quicker and cleaner than a gun that's ify at best. It's a good people stopper and that's all it is. It's not even a good gun to carry in the woods, what you have then is a false sense of secuity. An animals drive to live is 10 times more than that of a humans, shoot a deer in the ribs, he runs 50 60 yards before he drops, do the same to a human, even with a bullet proof vest, he's down. It may not pennetrate the vest but it sure knocks the wind out of him enough so you can do what ever. Point being, why take the chance? It's not worth it, really it's not. Just my 2 cents worth. |
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Sabot
Junior Member
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Posted - Jan 23 2004 : 04:00:40
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I agree that the answer is NO, but if you handload, it is now possible to get 10MM velocities and energy from the 40 S&W using Longshot powder. I use a CZ 75 with a 4.7 inch bbl and 8.0 grs of Longshot with 180 gr cast bullets at a bit over 1200 fps. This is 30 or 40 fps faster than the hodgdon data lists for 8.0 grs with a 180 jacketed bullet, and the pressure is fine at COL 1.15 to 1.13.
This level of power and penetration will put you in the 25 to 30 yard range for taking deer with a traditional broadside heart shot through the shoulder. However, it is barely enough gun for this type of hunting. |
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wyrframe
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - Mar 16 2004 : 18:51:28
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| I have been thinking about hunting with a .40 carbine(the beretta CX4 storm), is this going to make much of a differince? I have heard that a carbine will add 200-400 fps to the muzzle vol. is this true? Also i plan on being the brusher.. so I will most likely be within 40 yrds of a shot. |
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TBF
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - Mar 17 2004 : 18:27:45
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Wyrframe,
I cannot answer the hunting question.
But, my carbine gets 1450 fps with 165 gr. Rem.Golden Sabre bullet over 9.2 gr. LONGSHOT.
This is a MAX load, all standard disclaimers, etc.
With a 16 inch barrel, expect more velocity. Average of 13% according to Ruger. With slow powders you get more increase compared to fast powders.
Just as info., my carbine hates plated bullets, the velocity is just too high for them to make it out of the barrel in a form conducive to accuracy. YMMV, but I would think this would be true of any gun that launches bullets over 1200 fps.
Travis F.
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j81
Starting Member
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Posted - Jun 11 2004 : 13:51:11
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With the proper handloads (Longshot, Vihta Vouri)and using a cast bullet (180-200gr)you could certainly kill deer. It may seem obvious, but the question is whether or not you'd hit it. It's not so much a question of power, it's a question of putting the bullet where it counts. With my slightly modified Glock 23 I could bag one but due to the short sight radius then I'd be uncomfortable past 25 or 30 yards. I'd be tempted to hunt with it, but for now I'll stick to my 45 Colt Blackhawk  |
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jonny314
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Posted - Jun 19 2004 : 01:33:46
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Originally posted by j81
With the proper handloads (Longshot, Vihta Vouri)and using a cast bullet (180-200gr)you could certainly kill deer. It may seem obvious, but the question is whether or not you'd hit it. It's not so much a question of power, it's a question of putting the bullet where it counts. With my slightly modified Glock 23 I could bag one but due to the short sight radius then I'd be uncomfortable past 25 or 30 yards. I'd be tempted to hunt with it, but for now I'll stick to my 45 Colt Blackhawk
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blue avenger
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - Jun 21 2004 : 21:09:57
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sure, if you walk up and shot it in the ear
I AM THE VOICE IN MY HEAD
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j81
Starting Member
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Posted - Jun 21 2004 : 22:05:51
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| Hardly. It's range may be limited, even limited for pistol hunting, but it can get the job done |
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krochus
Average Member
USA
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Posted - Jun 21 2004 : 22:54:32
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My opinoin is yes it would be Quite effictive. BUT you would have to use shot disipline the same as bow hunters. Wich is somethinq ALL but the most experianced handgunners should do regardless of the precieved size of thier gun. |
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Detroit Jay
Starting Member
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Posted - Jul 12 2004 : 00:52:56
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Well I have a story for you about automatic hand gun hunting. A friend of mine(Really smart engineer but dosent know jack about guns or hunting) invited me to go deer hunting on his families farm of 100 acres. In lower Michigan you have use a shot gun or pistol during firearm season. So he brings out a refrigrator box for his blind and sets it up. I had my trusty double barrel, he brings a old single shot 12 gauge and his beretta 9mm pistol with Federal Hydrashock bullets. I told him that he probally wont drop a deer with the 9mm. He laughed, said it was for back up and we went hunting. I was sitting at the left end of a clearing and he was about 150 yards to my right. I see this small 4 point(spike with 2 small nubs) cutting accross the field(towards his way) and I let it go.
I am watching and bam he shoots the 12 guage with the buckshot and barely hits it. Then he comes charging out of the refrigrator box and goes running across the field chaseing the deer with the 9mm. Bam,bam,bam,(sounds like a machine gun)changes clip bam,bam,bam. Well after this I went to go yell at him and he stood over the deer and finished him off. He fired 23 rounds of 9mm to kill this deer(he hit the body of the deer 5 times). He hit the antlers 7 times! they are chiped/shot up and look like crap. He actually mounted just the rack on his wall(Its a conversation piece).
Well I never will go hunting/shooting with him again. Besides him just being a idiot, the tourture to the deer, me being imbarased to say I know the guy, he was breaking the law with the Mag capsisty(he was using 15 round mags full). I am not saying a properly loaded 40S&W with a compant shooter cant kill a deer with 1 round. I just think you would be better with a 357, 41, or 44 revolver for hand gun hunting.
Jay
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