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RaySendero
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USA
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Posted - Jun 27 2017 :  05:42:32  Show Profile Send RaySendero a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kosh75287

If it sounded like I was questioning your reloader skills, I sincerely apologize. It was never my intent. Like you, I use reloading blocks, and check powder levels closely. But since I have such luck as that it if started raining SOUP, I'D be the only one equipped with a fork and a strainer, I tend to use a "belt & suspenders" philosophy, the latter of which involves using bulkier powders like Unique or Herco in larg(er) capacity pistol and revolver cases. Just saying...




Oh No, Kosh - I didn't take it that way.
No need to apologize.

I did not think about it but
Good y'all put that warning on this thread.
It needed to be said!
Never know who will be reading our discussions or how they mite interpit or use this info w/o ever posting/asking.

Ray
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RaySendero
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USA
635 Posts

Posted - Jun 27 2017 :  05:51:31  Show Profile Send RaySendero a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I came up with MY reloading procedures long ago.

Figure if I make time to do it,
I'd take QC time to do it safe and right.

I'm slow, small batches, still weight each charge, look each step over good before proceeding to next, even measure and record dimensions of new, sized, trimmed and fired cases!

Ray
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Kosh75287
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USA
796 Posts

Posted - Jun 27 2017 :  10:47:30  Show Profile Send Kosh75287 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It sounds like YOUR brand of "meticulous" is what makes for good results in the transition from the reloading bench to the firing range. I could probably tighten things up a bit my examining details, but I'm shooting action events, not Bullseye competition, and the volume of ammunition obtained is a factor. If I do not pay attention to a certain factor that would only gain a 1/2" reduction in dispersion at 50 yards, with a load that always hits a 6" plate at 50 yards, I'm not sure I've lost much,especially if overlooking it enables me to produce 25% or 50% more ammunition per reloading session.

You don't mention which type of .44 Special you own, but if it is one of the sturdier ones, you might try the 7.5/Unique/240SWC load, to see what it gives you. If it is too stout, then working downward on charge weight will likely get you what you want.

God bless Jeff Cooper

Carpe SCOTCH!
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Zero333
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Canada
810 Posts

Posted - Jun 27 2017 :  17:50:06  Show Profile Send Zero333 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The past month I been reloading 9mm Para on a single stage press, weighing each charge. About 300 rounds a week.

I'm gonna pull the trigger on a progressive soon enough.

Treat that trigger like it’s your first date, not like you’ve been married to it for 20 years.
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Kosh75287
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USA
796 Posts

Posted - Jun 28 2017 :  12:50:41  Show Profile Send Kosh75287 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I turn that out in 2 nights of reloading, 3 tops. I guess I SHOULD look at a progressive, but I just don't trust myself with one of them.

God bless Jeff Cooper

Carpe SCOTCH!
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WonderMan4
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USA
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Posted - Jun 28 2017 :  15:15:03  Show Profile Send WonderMan4 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I had a progressive once. I traded it and am back to using singles again. Personally, I don't like them.

Back in the days, we used to shoot maybe 1200 rounds/month in 4 calibers. Never had a problem keeping up with demand.
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RaySendero
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USA
635 Posts

Posted - Jul 04 2017 :  21:24:43  Show Profile Send RaySendero a Private Message  Reply with Quote
OK, Finally got to shoot'em.

Hornady factory 180XTP:
Velocity Claim 1000 FPS
Velocity Actual 847, 821 each avg of 5
Case Length New 1.50" eao5
Case Length 1X 1.48", 1.49" eao5
Pressure Ring New 0.453" eao5
Pressure Ring 1X 0.455", 0.456" eao5
Primer 1X Little Flattening

Hornady factory 165FTX:
Velocity Claim 900 FPS
Velocity Actual 929, 920 FPS eao5
Case Length New 1.52" eao5
Case Length 1X 1.52", 1.51" eao5
Pressure Ring New 0.453" eao5
Pressure Ring 1X 0.453", 0.455" eao5
Primer 1X Little Flattening

Hornady new cases 165C#12 w/ 5.0 Red Dot:
Velocity Quick Load 688 FPS
Velocity Actual 798 FPS eao5
Case Length New/Sized/Trimmed 1.51" eao5
Case Length 1X 1.46" eao5
Pressure Ring New 0.452" eao5
Pressure Ring 1X 0.455" eao5
Primer 1X Some Flattening

Hornady new cases 165C#12 w/ 5.8 Red Dot:
Velocity Quick Load 773 FPS
Velocity Actual 922 FPS eao5
Case Length New/Sized/Trimmed 1.51" eao5
Case Length 1X 1.46" eao5
Pressure Ring New 0.452" eao5
Pressure Ring 1X 0.456" eao5
Primer 1X Some Flattening

Ray
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RaySendero
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USA
635 Posts

Posted - Jul 07 2017 :  12:05:25  Show Profile Send RaySendero a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well...It's been 3 days,
I figured y'all would be all over this info by now,
But Nothing so far.

MY 1st finding it that:

Neither the factory velocity nor the Quick load prediction
Came close to that I chronoed.

Ray
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WonderMan4
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USA
2846 Posts

Posted - Jul 07 2017 :  13:42:14  Show Profile Send WonderMan4 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You are not in the field alone, Ray.

I have had predictions that have always fell short of actual.
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Kosh75287
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USA
796 Posts

Posted - Jul 08 2017 :  12:39:08  Show Profile Send Kosh75287 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you are looking for a 165gr. projectile at ~800 f/s, and based on your actual results, you might try reducing the powder charge from 5.8 gr. to 5.2gr. You may not see an exact 10% velocity decrease, but it might yield enough information that you could extrapolate an appropriate charge weight from the two sets of data. The slight flattening of primers might disappear with the decreased charge.

Another possibility might be to use a slightly slower-burning powder, like GreenDot, WW231, or IMR-PB (if there's any to be had), and the same charge weight (loading manuals permitting). I hate to think of you adding another powder your magazine just to solve this problem, but it might be the fastest way.

God bless Jeff Cooper

Carpe SCOTCH!
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RaySendero
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USA
635 Posts

Posted - Jul 08 2017 :  19:39:12  Show Profile Send RaySendero a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thx Kosh.

Think I'll try some more at that 5.2

Ray
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RaySendero
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USA
635 Posts

Posted - Jul 15 2017 :  18:49:39  Show Profile Send RaySendero a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok Guys, I got the 5.2s shot!?

Velocity from the 1st 5 avg 850 FPS
Velocity from the 2nd 5 avg 571 FPS

Ray
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Kosh75287
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USA
796 Posts

Posted - Jul 15 2017 :  19:43:53  Show Profile Send Kosh75287 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm sure hoping you meant that the 2nd string of 5 averaged 871 f/s & not 571 f/s.

If not, then it may be time to try Trail Boss or some other similar very space-filling propellant.

God bless Jeff Cooper

Carpe SCOTCH!

Edited by - Kosh75287 on Jul 15 2017 19:45:57
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RaySendero
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USA
635 Posts

Posted - Jul 15 2017 :  22:47:17  Show Profile Send RaySendero a Private Message  Reply with Quote
nope - 571

Ray
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RaySendero
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USA
635 Posts

Posted - Jul 16 2017 :  13:15:53  Show Profile Send RaySendero a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I appreciate the interest Kosh.

That was my "scientific experiment" I had planned all along from the start
knowing I'd get the low case fill with Red Dot powder.

The 1st 5 shots were fired after the powder settled to the rear of the case.
The 2nd 5 shots were fired after the powder settled to the front of the case.

My hope was there would not be much difference.
Sure wasn't expecting almost 300 fps!!!

Ray
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