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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jul 05 2009 :  21:20:11  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In related big bore work we got a Montana Rifle
Co, PH action setup in my 700H 3.25" case. Fired
test load of 825gr at 3000 fps. This was just one
test load. Normal max loads are 825gr at 2850 and
1000gr at 2700.Hunting loads 24-2500, First PH fired
outside the factory.It is in first picture.
PH will work for any big case and my 585HE.And
if anyone looking at big actions for 12ga FH,
here is picture of MRC PH with a 3.5" 12ga case
partly into action. The PH cam be used for 12ga with
action and rails opened like I did my 700H in Enfield.
And a little changing on the bolt face and extractor
In 12 ga it still would have 60% of front lugs contacting
and you'd add bearing lug surface to bolt handle base so
it would handle same pressures as Savage 210.
And 3.5" with average length 12ga slug would feed from the
magazine. Our longer case would work with port opened
and some mag work. Ed




Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jul 19 2009 :  01:41:31  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Got single stack mag figured out for 12GA FH and
my 700H 3.25 in PH. I fit a bolt action 12ga
box mag and its follower and spring
inside the PH mag box. Easy to fit in metal box,
and permanently mounted to metal and floorplate.
Holds 2 down. That way feed lips already a working
design. And opened back of 12ga box for longer case
like I did with my 700 in Savage 210. Also work
for anyone doing a PH in 12ga FH if they aren't
loaded too long or with 3.5" RMC cases. Using most
cast 12ga bullets like Dixies, the overall length with
3.5 brass is 3.9" and fits 4.05" box ok. Here is picture
PH from bottom showing its big size.You can see in pic
there still is room to make box longer yet.
And the feed port can be longer.Montana Rifle has
great action here with lots off room and strength.Ed


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jul 30 2009 :  04:39:26  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I got barrel on the 4ga/bore falling block gun.
Barrel 32" long, 1.87" breech, gun is 27 lbs.
Notice breech block is down and huge hole in barrel.
Maybe shoulder cannon is the right term for it.
It is all inleted into thumbhole laminated Vulcan
50 cal stock, of which I need more, if anyone
knows where there are any. 4 bore cases shown,
next to the gun, 2 with 2000gr slugs,
and I'll use a big ammomaster press for them..Ed


Ed Hubel
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Evad
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USA
1346 Posts

Posted - Jul 30 2009 :  18:48:29  Show Profile Send Evad a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think the stuff you are doing with the smaller bores is really neat, but who is going to shoot that monster? That has to be a case of kill in front, and cripple behind!
Dave

I never met a gun I didn't like.
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Aug 05 2009 :  01:46:10  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh we'll have fixed so we can shoot it,
with doublr thick pads, ported, and weight.
Here is a picture of the front end of the 4bore,
showing a 2000gr slug protuding out. Simulating
stop action photo work, as if anyone wwould be brave
enough to put a camera out in front of it
when it fired. Will have it firing by fall.
I plan on using hollowbase lead slugs of
about 1600gr, as it is a smoothbore. Ed


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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Aug 14 2009 :  02:51:56  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
got 3" chambered 12ga set up to test loads with RE-17.
Many guys want loads for 3" chambered slug barrels as they
come from the factory., So I put extra 24" Savage barrel I had
on a Mauser GEHA bolt action. Rifled Savage barrel is modern
steel with .93" muzzle diameter. Original barrel on the GEHA
was only .82" at muzzle. I added an extra rear bolt locking lug
onto the Mauser bolt. Using up stuff to make test gun.

Any modern steel slug barrel, whether on bolt, autoloading,
pump, or break action gun with same muzzle diameter will handle
these RE-17 loads. Max loads were all 115gr of RE-17 in plastic
3" cases, all with seals and cushion wads. Can't get no more under
the seals, cushions and slugs in 3". Which is why I like 3.5"
chambers. With 437 gr Brenekkee and 420 gr in BPI sabot got
over 1900. With 520gr Lyman in shot cup 1850. With 600gr Dixie
got 1800. With 870 gr hard lead got 1600. This is 24" barrel,
so longer barrels will get more. In comparison to IMR4227 loads,
these are about the same speed as using 90gr of 4227. But this
powder is so much easier on cases and guns, with about .004"
less base cup expansion. It works great in 3" and really gets the
speed in 3.5" cases, as in 3.5" cases,as seal/wads about same,
extra length for powder. The 870gr load is max peak pressure of
16,000 psi. Muzzle pressure is about 3500-4000 psi.
I'll have pic of the Mauser in few days.ED

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Aug 19 2009 :  04:13:26  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is picture of my 695 Mossberg bolt action.
It is 28ga FH, a 3.25" long brass case. Was a
12ga with light barrel. I also have a heavy 12ga
barrel chambered for 3.5" cases and a .500" barrel
for my 499HE a real long brass case. Also I am
doing my 499HE in a NEF. You can get a NEF with
MMouse 500S&W and run my reamer in and get real
power.The 395,495,595 actions will work also,
as they like the 695 have double bolt lugs
and a loading port that can be lengthened.
And they have a nice style...Ed


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Aug 26 2009 :  02:56:11  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We get asked about finned slugs for
12ga smooth bores and if they take high
speed. Well they'll do just as good at high
speed as the locked on wad stablized Brenekkee
OK slug I tested in my smoothbore 1887 with long
barrel, in first pic. Second pic is a Corbin
finned slug I will get and test later. Third is
BPI AQ slug I will test, few weeks in the 87.
I'm going to test also in a regular smooth bore
12ga slug barrel of medium muzzle size,
about .92" diameter like the Savage 210 barrel.
One gun I found with decent size diameter are
some of Stevens smoothbores..Ed






Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Sep 02 2009 :  03:59:14  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is picture of the Mauser GEHA shotgun I
setup with an Savage 210 rifled barrel. Used a Savage
plastic stock also. It is setup with the original 3"
chamber. I have many guys who want ideas and slug/load
combination's tested in regular rifled slug barrels, so
this is the one. Most testing will be 3" plastic cases.
Barrel 24" long, .93" regular slug size muzzle diameter.
The GEHA was originally converted from 98 Mausers in
Germany in the 20s, to 12ga by reaming outl the front lug seats
and using the rear safety lug. I added a second rear
bearing lug and it handles 15,000 psi loads ok.
The cases come out with the weight of the bolt.
That will be max pressure used in it, with that slug gun
barrel thickness. Example load is 115gr of RE17 in 3"
plastic case, with 520 gr Lyman cast slug at 1850 plus fps.
This load expands the plastic case base cups about .005",
in comparison, a REM factory Buckhammer and other super
mag turkey and goose loads expands .010".
And we have over 300 fps more velocity.Ed


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Sep 06 2009 :  02:54:21  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Testing some .660" diameter 630 gr hard cast
slugs in the red WIN wadcup in 3.5" plastic
case. Tested in rifled long barrel in 12ga
NEF about 2100 fps. Greg Sappington makes
these. They are hollow point. 3" group at
50yds, peep sight, bad eyes. I also fired
a couple to see if they'd work in my long
brass cased 16GA FH shown in the picture.
They work ok, so Greg has a double duty
slug.They'd work in 16ga plastic also.
The 16ga was held at 1500 as the barrel
isn't heavy, on Stevens/Revelation 16ga. Ed


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fprefect
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USA
36 Posts

Posted - Sep 06 2009 :  12:09:45  Show Profile Send fprefect a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by budlight

Really 3900 FPS!!!!!!!!!!!! with 329 grains. 3/4 oz = 329 grains.

http://www.1728.com/convmass.htm

I was doing some quick math and your exceeding the foot pound of energy of guns like the 460 weatherby and 458 Lott.

The fastest large projectile ever to leave the 26 barrel of my .458 win mag was custom 275 grain hollow points. We chronoed them right at 3000 fps.

That is really quite the weapon




Exceeding! If your calculations of 15,000 ft/lbs. is correct it doubles the energy of 500 gr bullet at 2600fps from a 460 Weatherby, and even dwarfs the 8400+ ft/lbs. of the venerable .600 Nitro Express. Are you using some kind of a hydraulic recoil mechanism or just firing it from a 40 pound rifle. That "thing" is freaking huge!

F. Prefect

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Edited by - fprefect on Sep 06 2009 12:13:21
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Sep 14 2009 :  01:47:34  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Long case holds 300 gr powder, and powder in with power
out gets muzzle energy. 300gr gets that much energy
even with heavier slugs. With heavier slugs slower powder.
Gun 25 lbs, double thick pad, barrel ported.thumbhole stock.
Comparing brass cases.I tell folks who are stepping
up in 12ga power from 3.5 plastic, you can get 3.5" brass cases
from Rocky Mtn Cartridge. Here you can see how heavy
and nice they are compared to regular brass cases.
They also make shorter 3" brass cases also.
They fit the chamber tight and are long enough to
get some serious thumping power.And they have a
super strong, thick , solid head, not a weak balloon head
like regular ones on the left in pic.Ed




Ed Hubel

Edited by - hubel458 on Sep 14 2009 01:49:19
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Sep 20 2009 :  02:08:25  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tested my 499HE in a NEF. Loads I didn't have to
full length resize the case, only top 1/4 of case.
325gr at 2600, 500gr at 2150.
In NEF got both weight bullets 300 fps faster,
still extracted very easy.I got reamer. Just run it
in NEF 500 chamber and you got a blaster. And add
a little weight and thick pad to the gun.I have
a barrel ring to hold forearm along with original
bolt, as I added weight there as well as the butt.Ed


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Sep 25 2009 :  04:13:30  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Finally an 870 with longer 1" muzzle barrel. Barrel
is heavier than most all add on pump gun barrels,
and it is 25.5" long, Something that would really get
it on with the slower powder loads we have.
Rifled barrel is solid mount in receiver, scoperail solid mount.

It is the REM 870 Super Slug Gun.
Nice long heavy barrel, and thumbhole stock for
handling recoil better. Plastic case 3" slug loads of ours that
gets 600gr slugs to 1800-1900 fps, work great in this
Like the ones I load and roll crimp in second picture
that are setting behind the little vise, and the one in the
vise readt to be crimped...Ed




Ed Hubel
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fishstan2
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USA
2372 Posts

Posted - Sep 25 2009 :  04:28:56  Show Profile Send fishstan2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hubel, I hope you got a good sholder. LOL. What scope are you using and does it handle the recoil. Man, you got allot of hours in this project. Stan

WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
CSM (RET) Harker Heights Tx.
"I SAY SHOOTEM FROM LONG RANGE"

Edited by - fishstan2 on Sep 25 2009 04:31:14
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