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hubel458
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USA
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Posted - Feb 28 2010 :  03:44:35  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The heavy rifled barrel in previous post was made by
Hastings for the Remington 870. It is 26" long and a
muzzle diameter of over an inch. Hastings is gone now,
but we'd like to find some of these barrels. The Hastings
number of the barrel is 560H90.

In the meantime Remington has come out with their
SPS Super Magnum Slug Gun with 25.5" rifled barrel and
a 1" diameter muzzle, with more solid barrel, and extra
pins in mounting barrel, so a scope can be put on action. Ed


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Mar 09 2010 :  03:29:37  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am now putting a 3.5" 20ga on the FBW action.
We are having RMC make 3.5" brass 20ga cases. I also
bought a huge box of 3.5" plastic case Hastings
hot rod sabot slugs at their out of business auction.
Picture is of FBW with brass case in the feed trough.
Any wanting to do 20 ga brass cases, at same time,
contact RMC, they'd like to make a big batch this spring..
I also got few of the cases to make the 10ga FH
brass 4.050" long case. Anyone wanting one. I'll part
with them, but I'll only will have a few. The brass is hard
to find and costly.. Ed


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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Mar 13 2010 :  01:26:46  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I get asked about presses used for big cases.
Here is a picture of my 2 big presses on
the heavy bench, with the case spinner/lathe
on the back of the bench. Blue one is a Walnut
Hill and the green is beefed up Ammomaster.
Both are braced so I can lean on them.Bench is
braced to wall supports and benches behind.

You can see the expanders laid out on the press
brace arms, and a whole bunch of shorty dies laid
out, that fit everything from 10ga down to
my 700HE. And variety of large cases and real large
4ga-8ga dies, parts I work with. On the right is a
stack of my 585HE dies in the die boxes.Ed


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Mar 18 2010 :  00:46:01  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Now might get real exciting load developement wise,
If we could make brass cases as long as the paper
one on the right. In picture is 3.5" 10ga plastic
case, our 10GA FH brass 4.05" case I made by putting
a 10ga basecup on 50cal Russian brass, and third
a 6" long 10ga bomb disposal case used to shoot
liquid/gel in to bomb packages, I think.
Anyone knows for sure let me know.ED


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Mar 24 2010 :  01:29:24  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is picture showing surplus 50 Russian case before
and the 10ga brass case we make using it with
10ga bases pressed and epoxied on and expanding
case out straight, making the 4.050" long
10ga case.Makes a great 10ga FH.
And the case isn't weakened any, by the
process of putting on the rim.It will
stand any pressures any gun could...ED


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Mar 29 2010 :  02:04:33  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We have put 4 different cartridges in the Savage 210
bolt gun. We added various 12ga and .700"
heavy thick barrels.
The first was our 12ga FH long case.
The second was my 700H 3.25" belted case.
Third was the 3.5" 12ga that Bret did, and
fourth is the 700NE that we wanted to see
how it works. It shoots fine, has weighted stock,
and a 27 inch barrel.Has a double thick pad.
I even have cast slugs for 700.
Cases are expensive, ones in picture are
20 bucks each...Ed


Ed Hubel
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fishstan2
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USA
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Posted - Mar 29 2010 :  04:20:57  Show Profile Send fishstan2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed, what ever you shot with the gun better be worth $20.00 a shot. LOL. Neat stuff. Stan

WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
CSM (RET) Harker Heights Tx.
"I SAY SHOOTEM FROM LONG RANGE"
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hubel458
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USA
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Posted - Apr 03 2010 :  02:42:46  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It will be less than that as cases can be loaded
20-30 times, being bullets are 3 bucks, powder
and primer a buck.

Here is picture of my Mossy 695 that has heavy barrel for
the our long 12ga cases, in fact it chambers the 12ga
belted shown in picture ok that I use for testing.
I set chamber to do belted as well as rimmed.

Second picture is some of my 585 Short HE cases, that work
great in regular length actions.We have these in Ruger,
Enfields, Mausers already. I have available supply of
brass for these of about 8-9000. Ed




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fishstan2
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USA
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Posted - Apr 03 2010 :  07:02:19  Show Profile Send fishstan2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed, it all looks cool. How does all of it shoot. Thanks for keeping us posted. Stan

WILLIAMS, STANLEY W.
CSM (RET) Harker Heights Tx.
"I SAY SHOOTEM FROM LONG RANGE"
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Apr 12 2010 :  03:10:50  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Everyhing all shoots great. A lot of fun.
Getting to some more 4ga/bore work.With barrel and
falling block action locked down fired off some blank
type loads to test the breach and firing pin I set up.
I fired it by hitting the back of firing pin with a rod,
as I now have get hammer and trigger setup. Firing pin
dents primers ok, breach works and headspace is ok.

For loads I have wads to take up space above powder.
Others with same 4ga case in doubles fill case about
1/6 full of Blue Dot (110gr), with 2000gr slug.

I'll use 1600 gr hollowbase slugs, with about 1/3 of a case
of IMR 4759 or 1/2 to 5/8 case of RE17, rest filled
with fiber wads.These are shotgun primer loads and I will be
using THE STRONGER PRIMERS OF KILN CASES at about same
price as BMG primers. And I have BMG primer cases also
that I will test also, once gun is finished in a few weeks.Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
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Posted - Apr 22 2010 :  02:16:51  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fired 4bore with 760 gr light round ball with
fiber wads under it, using 150gr Blue Dot
and shotgun primer case. Just starting loads
for testing operation. Hardly no recoil,
like a heavy, beefed up blank load,
could go much higher with that light
of round ball. Will have pics of the muzzle
blast and the gun shooting from the side,
using heavier slugs in a week or so.
In Owen's 4bore double,that uses same case
size they use max of 110gr of Blue Dot
with 2000 gr slug. Ed


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hubel458
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USA
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 :  01:40:42  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fired the 4bore with the 760 gr round ball,
which is a hard rubber coated steel ball,
thus the light weight compared to lead,
using 100gr of Blue Dot under 300gr RE17,
total 400gr. Hairy load, with 3500 fps, and
20,000 ft lbs. Used the turned 4bore cases,
with shotgun primers, and with that light
projectile case doesn't need sizing. This is
good beginning bullet weight for early testing.
I am gonna do 1200gr and 1600gr holding the
speeds to give about same energy.
I won't load heavier until I get another
stock like one I have that is full width.
Also those who want 3.5" 20ga brass cases,
Rocky Mtn Cartridge is making them now.ED

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
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Posted - May 03 2010 :  02:29:14  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tested 4bore with a double ball load of 1250 grains weight,
Used 100gr Blue Dot under 250gr of RE17, with card and
one fiber wad. 2600 fps. Recoil not bad, just brisk.
Used turned brass cases with shotgun primer, and cases
still didn't expand the bottom half of cases.
Just resize top. Running about 23-25,000 psi.
The light ball load above about 16,000. Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - May 06 2010 :  02:06:45  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Some interesting shooting with 4bore.

Double 760gr ball load of 1520 gr total, at 2300 fps.

A buck and ball load, 6 45cal lead balls, 133gr each,
and a 760 gr ball on top, 1560 gr total, at 2300 fps.

Both loads 100gr BlueDot under 225gr Re17, In the
turned brass cases, with shotgun primer.Recoil
manageable, and like a big push. The sound isn't
a boom like regular shotguns, but cracks loud
like big bore rifles,at least twice as as loud.Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - May 22 2010 :  01:29:13  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is pic of the RMC brass 20ga 3.5" with
Hastings 3.5" factory plastic case loads,
and 20ga Hollywood dies. Also slugs, Dixie 490 gr,
Hastings SPW and 900gr jacketed in the one case.

Second pic is the FBW Model L setup that will have
20ga 3.5" chambered barrel in a second one. This 1st
one is in my 585HE.It is falling block in one piece
thumbhole stock, an idea I come up with on my
4bore falling block. Second Model L will be built same
in 3.5" 20ga. EDd




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